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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 10, 2011 12:40:42 GMT -5
I didn't want to hijack the other thread so I'll start the discussion here: *Crowd Chanting* OV-ER-RAT-ED (BUM-BUM-bum-bum-bum) OV-ER-RAT-ED...etc, etc. In 11 out of 14 games, the Jets' opponent's top receiver either got 80+ yards receiving or a touchdown; in most cases it was both. Revis also allowed 100+ yard receiving games a few times this year. I know the name and reputation, but I didn't see production this year. Have you seen something else watching every Jets game? EDIT: 14 games in which he has played Honestly, those stats are pretty meaningless when it comes to Revis. The notion that he tracks the other team's top receiver every game is false. Revis hasn't moved around the field at all during the year. If hypothetically, the Colts moved Reggie Wayne into the slot, you would have seen someone else covering him and Revis would be on whoever lined up on the outside. All year long, the only blown coverage with Revis I remember was the first Patriots game where Moss took one deep. Revis happened to injure his hamstring on that very same play which is probably why he got caught so far behind Moss. I've been watching the Jets for many years now, and honestly I have never seen a guy like Darrelle. I don't watch Nnamdi or Woodson regularly, so I can't really comment on whose better.. but to my understanding they are all elite. The thing with Darrelle is that there just aren't any flaws to his game. He is excellent in deep coverage, excellent in short coverage, excellent tackler, excellent hands if a ball is pickable, can stop the run, hard to block. The guy is just a phenomenal football player. His pick stats are low, but consider that he almost never gets thrown to because he is usually airtight on the receiver. QBs don't avoid him because of the name, they avoid him because the guy he's covering is not open. |
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Post by ozzie on Jan 10, 2011 13:39:51 GMT -5
Yeah, he didn't get any picks because QB's barely ever threw it his way.
I definetly don't think he's overrated, he held Reggie Wayne to 1 yard last Saturday against the Colts.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 11, 2011 10:49:12 GMT -5
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Post by 2787cmt on Jan 11, 2011 14:29:30 GMT -5
He is a great player and athlete, but considering all the trouble the Jets went through to resign him over the off-season, I have doubts whether he is worth the type of publicity he received during the off-season.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 11, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
He is a great player and athlete, but considering all the trouble the Jets went through to resign him over the off-season, I have doubts whether he is worth the type of publicity he received during the off-season. I halfway agree with you here. He definitely doesn't deserve to be paid more than any other player in the game, and his holdout was quite annoying. He is, however, one of if not the best corners in the game. The difference between having him and not having him is a huge deal. He can just shut down one side of the field all day. |
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Post by blindlywewander on Jan 13, 2011 15:29:45 GMT -5
I don't really like the term 'shut down' corner. Revis doesn't 'shut down' anybody. I think the Jets' defense does. A lot of times quarterbacks are making quicker throws and more check downs because of the blitz packages used by NY's defense. Revis is good and I'd definitely take him 9 out of 10 times if given the choice, but I don't think the term 'shut down corner' is apt. Guys catch balls on him. Guys get touchdowns on him. It happens to every corner. Darrell Green got burned for touchdowns. It happened. Just not often. I think the key to being a good corner is consistency (which is why I think Carlos Rogers is a better corner than Deangelo Hall). Revis makes the play probably 8 out of 10 times. Most corners other good corners probably 6 out of 10. No one goes 10 out of 10. Not for 16 games. It just doesn't happen.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 13, 2011 19:38:44 GMT -5
I don't really like the term 'shut down' corner. Revis doesn't 'shut down' anybody. I think the Jets' defense does. A lot of times quarterbacks are making quicker throws and more check downs because of the blitz packages used by NY's defense. Revis is good and I'd definitely take him 9 out of 10 times if given the choice, but I don't think the term 'shut down corner' is apt. Guys catch balls on him. Guys get touchdowns on him. It happens to every corner. Darrell Green got burned for touchdowns. It happened. Just not often. I think the key to being a good corner is consistency (which is why I think Carlos Rogers is a better corner than Deangelo Hall). Revis makes the play probably 8 out of 10 times. Most corners other good corners probably 6 out of 10. No one goes 10 out of 10. Not for 16 games. It just doesn't happen. The term "shut down corner" is outdated. It applied before they started calling all the clutching and grabbing. It's not impossible to complete shut down a receiver with anything but airtight coverage without touching the guy. Regarding Deangelo Hall specifically, I couldn't be impressed with the guy. IMO, corners who cannot tackle will never be elite. It's one of a few reasons why Cromartie will never be as good as Revis. |
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Post by blindlywewander on Jan 13, 2011 20:45:38 GMT -5
Actually, D. Hall can tackle pretty well. He's not a physical corner, but he plays the run well. He's not the best tackler on the team by far, but he's not the worst.
Cromartie is hilarious to me. He has all the ability in the world, yet he squanders it. He has like 18 kids with 17 women. He could be a good corner, but he just doesn't work at his game like the great ones do.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 13, 2011 20:55:11 GMT -5
Actually, D. Hall can tackle pretty well. He's not a physical corner, but he plays the run well. He's not the best tackler on the team by far, but he's not the worst. Cromartie is hilarious to me. He has all the ability in the world, yet he squanders it. He has like 18 kids with 17 women. He could be a good corner, but he just doesn't work at his game like the great ones do. Cromartie training in the offseason: (He's actually a pretty hard worker from what I've read, and he's very good in coverage though not perfect. Just not a physical guy. Still, one of the best in the league when the ball is in the air.. just not good if it's in the receiver's hands) And one of the best clips from Hard Knocks ever: |
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Post by blindlywewander on Jan 13, 2011 21:39:45 GMT -5
rex ryan is a [dirty word]. royal prick.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 13, 2011 22:29:08 GMT -5
rex ryan is a [dirty word]. royal prick. This is where we'll have to agree to disagree. I never understood all the hate Rex gets. All the guy does is speak his mind. Whenever he says something, he believes it. He's not trying to be manipulative or sneaky. What kind of coach doesn't believe his team will win? I'll respect a straight shooter over someone trying to play mind games (like Mike Shanahan has failed all season long) 8 days of the week. |
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Post by BlackOps on Jan 13, 2011 22:54:14 GMT -5
I don't really care what the coach does with the media. Everything anyone ever does with the media is a mind game. I hate journalists. Did I mention that?
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Jan 13, 2011 22:55:30 GMT -5
I don't really care what the coach does with the media. Everything anyone ever does with the media is a mind game. I hate journalists. Did I mention that? So you sided with Omar Minaya on the Adam Rubin issue?  |
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Post by BlackOps on Jan 13, 2011 23:16:03 GMT -5
I don't really care what the coach does with the media. Everything anyone ever does with the media is a mind game. I hate journalists. Did I mention that? So you sided with Omar Minaya on the Adam Rubin issue? I can honestly say I dislike journalists, baseball ones in particular, so much that I can't even recall exactly what happened and I know I didn't spend much time on it. Something about lobbying for a job, that's the important part. Despite my feeling on journalists, Omar Minaya is the dumbest of all dumb baseball people. I'm not meaning to offend, and I likely will so I shouldn't say this but this is the internets and I can get away with it (  ), but he sounds dumb too. I mean, how well can you trust a guy to run your team who has lived in this country for 40 years and only manages to speak English as well as he does? Super cheap shot I know, but I wouldn't trust that guy. I really wonder what his job interview was like. Most people I know who learned English much later than he did speak it better. I mean, even Ozzie Guillen could probably suit up and buckle down and nail an interview. I just don't see it in Minaya. Anyway, that was my rant. I think I deserve that after my heart broke after every poor signing by Minaya. Here's the video. I don't understand how a person with this high profile a position goes into such a big interview and comes out with this stuff. It blows my mind. What an idiot! But, it isn't like we needed that press conference to know that. His track record is long, spans multiple teams, and is ugly. Wow sorry for the thread hijack, this one was meant to prevent that from happening. |
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Post by blindlywewander on Jan 14, 2011 16:11:51 GMT -5
rex ryan is a [dirty word]. royal prick. This is where we'll have to agree to disagree. I never understood all the hate Rex gets. All the guy does is speak his mind. Whenever he says something, he believes it. He's not trying to be manipulative or sneaky. What kind of coach doesn't believe his team will win? I'll respect a straight shooter over someone trying to play mind games (like Mike Shanahan has failed all season long) 8 days of the week. I don't think Shanny played mind games. When you bench a pro-bowl quarterback who blows in your system but just got resigned to an extension without your knowledge, it's hard to be 100% straight-forward. And Ryan gets hate because he's an *** hole. He's like the Lebron James of football head coaches. He's so high on himself, but has accomplished nothing. I'm all for being straight forward and honest with the media, but when you talk trash to another player in a pre-season game, you have no class. He is the head coach. He should act like it. He's not out there playing or even calling plays. But his offense makes a good play against a team that just switched to the 3-4 and has an entirely new coaching staff and multiple new players, and he goes out of his way to disrespect an opposing player. He's classless. That's why he gets hate. He's hated. |
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