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Post by Nyi28nhl on Dec 15, 2010 9:21:16 GMT -5
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Post by BlackOps on Dec 15, 2010 18:18:32 GMT -5
I love Michael Vick so much. He had me rooting for the Eagles in the MNF game vs. the Redskins. I'm so glad his talent has finally turned into skill. It just makes sense that Philly would end up with the Virginia boy and the Skins would get the last 5 years of a former fucking Eagle, right? fml
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Post by MxT13 on Dec 15, 2010 23:55:12 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there that I'm speculating Vick will be easier to retain than DeSean Jackson. Two years ago I predicted (with no proof of prediction for future reference) that DeSean would become the next T.O. Today I'm holding on to that statement for later.
I don't think Jeffery Lurie cares enough about winning to pay that much money for one guy in Jackson's case. Vick may be slightly cheaper if he starts to wear down after all these hits he's taking, and I think the Eagles front office would be thrilled to save on damaged goods if it means the fans are satisfied.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Dec 16, 2010 7:15:24 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Jackson is worth being the highest paid receiver in the league like he wants. He's a great deep threat, but that's about it. He's not so great through the middle or on short gains.
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Post by MxT13 on Dec 16, 2010 10:05:04 GMT -5
Agreed, especially now that he has Dunta Robinson in the back of his mind. But I will say I've seen a greater success rate of the end-around when he's involved than any other receiver in the league.
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Post by BlackOps on Dec 16, 2010 22:16:17 GMT -5
Yeah, he's not really a #1 receiver in my book. He definitely needs someone to complement his skills; he just can't stand out on his own.
But dear god is he fast. Cal came here to play Colorado State a few years ago and I got to see the game in person and it was ridiculous how must faster he and Lavelle Hawkins were on returns than the CSU cover guys. I think they each took back a TD and Jackson had another 50+ return to go with it. It didn't seem human.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Dec 16, 2010 22:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Dec 20, 2010 9:14:48 GMT -5
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Dec 29, 2010 10:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Feb 11, 2011 14:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by FootballFreak03 on Feb 21, 2011 20:12:26 GMT -5
Desean should get Paid. Not top 5 because the problem is, when teams start Bump N running him, and putting safetys deep, hes nothing. And thats what happened at the end of the regular season, and in the playoffs, and Vick all of the sudden cant do anything cause hes having trouble reading coverage downfield when Desean is not open. he checks down to Celek or Avant for a pickup of ten yards, but drives weren't being finished.
Vick has improved greatly though. His accuracy, spiral, and touch on his throws are unbelievable. But teams figured him out down the stretch, and his coverage reading skills were not that good. I have confidence he will work on it though, I really hope he does.
And Mx, Desean is a nutcase, but hes not a T.O. Hes a showboat like T.O, but he isnt arrogant to the media like T.O, and doesn't cause trouble on purpose. Doesnt demand for the ball, or question the coaches. He just celebrates too much. He will be possibly an issue i agree, but ultimately it will work out.
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Post by FootballFreak03 on Feb 21, 2011 21:40:42 GMT -5
I love Michael Vick so much. He had me rooting for the Eagles in the MNF game vs. the Redskins. I'm so glad his talent has finally turned into skill. It just makes sense that Philly would end up with the Virginia boy and the Skins would get the last 5 years of a former fucking Eagle, right? fml haha unfortunately thats what it seems, and if you could i was just curious, what were your thoughts of when Mcnabb first became a Redskin? Were you happy with the move?
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Post by BlackOps on Feb 22, 2011 15:31:08 GMT -5
I love Michael Vick so much. He had me rooting for the Eagles in the MNF game vs. the Redskins. I'm so glad his talent has finally turned into skill. It just makes sense that Philly would end up with the Virginia boy and the Skins would get the last 5 years of a former fucking Eagle, right? fml haha unfortunately thats what it seems, and if you could i was just curious, what were your thoughts of when Mcnabb first became a Redskin? Were you happy with the move? I think I held out hope that Shanahan would be able to utilize McNabb well enough to be a playoff contender every year (after the first one). But truly, I think I knew McNabb was washed up, at least washed up from the standpoint of being a TOP quarterback. He's serviceable right now, he just doesn't seem to care enough to push himself. As it is right now, I don't think they could win a Super Bowl with him. If he worked on his accuracy issues, he could squeeze a few more nice years out, but he's never been interested in working to fix those kinds of mechanical issues so idk. I didn't think giving up a 1st round pick was smart. (or was it more? wasn't it like 2 or 3 picks? even worse.) I feel like McNabb was set to be released or traded for nothing, and we paid a lot to get him. Multiple picks + his salary + an extension doesn't make sense to me. We've thrown away dozens of draft picks over the last decade and it hasn't worked. Was not smart to throw picks at a guy, especially because now it seems like Shanahan and McNabb were never on the same page. Anyway, good news is all they need to do is release him and we can move on. That seems like the best course of action right now. I have little respect for the player Donovan. He's always handled himself as a professional off the field, but I never felt like he's given it full effort on the field. In the end I think he goes down as a pretty good quarterback, but one that flourished in a system. A good system. That speaks on Andy Reid, rather than McNabb or Kolb or Vick... or maybe Mike Holmgren? Perhaps that heads straight toward Bill Walsh? Man, that guy certainly affected football...
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Post by FootballFreak03 on Feb 22, 2011 21:07:53 GMT -5
haha unfortunately thats what it seems, and if you could i was just curious, what were your thoughts of when Mcnabb first became a Redskin? Were you happy with the move? I think I held out hope that Shanahan would be able to utilize McNabb well enough to be a playoff contender every year (after the first one). But truly, I think I knew McNabb was washed up, at least washed up from the standpoint of being a TOP quarterback. He's serviceable right now, he just doesn't seem to care enough to push himself. As it is right now, I don't think they could win a Super Bowl with him. If he worked on his accuracy issues, he could squeeze a few more nice years out, but he's never been interested in working to fix those kinds of mechanical issues so idk. I didn't think giving up a 1st round pick was smart. (or was it more? wasn't it like 2 or 3 picks? even worse.) I feel like McNabb was set to be released or traded for nothing, and we paid a lot to get him. Multiple picks + his salary + an extension doesn't make sense to me. We've thrown away dozens of draft picks over the last decade and it hasn't worked. Was not smart to throw picks at a guy, especially because now it seems like Shanahan and McNabb were never on the same page. Anyway, good news is all they need to do is release him and we can move on. That seems like the best course of action right now. I have little respect for the player Donovan. He's always handled himself as a professional off the field, but I never felt like he's given it full effort on the field. In the end I think he goes down as a pretty good quarterback, but one that flourished in a system. A good system. That speaks on Andy Reid, rather than McNabb or Kolb or Vick... or maybe Mike Holmgren? Perhaps that heads straight toward Bill Walsh? Man, that guy certainly affected football... I agree. Even though this is a Vick thread, we got a good convo here with Donavon haha. Towards the end of his era in Philly, he carried himself like he didnt care. His emotion on the field. The way he talked to the media. After an incomplete pass, he would just give that look and clap his hands twice, showing no power or emotion in him. Saw this in the game where Vick went off in D.C. 1st 3 skins drives, they are struggling and hes doing the same shit, and really not trying to fire his team up. Like what are you doing? He would come out to the media talking his ass off, saying hes the leader and what not, then gameday, he shows no emotion on the field when the team is struggling to move the ball, and many times he blamed other players after the game for a loss and not himself. He look disinterested all the time. Didnt put that real extra effort to be great. I could go on and on countless things he said. I do remember when he got introduced as a skin with a standing ovation and he goes "man i never received that in philly" which is complete crap because when we went to 3 straight NFC championship games and lost, the city had his back and blamed Pinkston and Thrash as our topics. Then when we get to the super bowl, he throws up, and it all went downhill from there with his attitude. Blackops for the record the Eagles got the Skins 2nd rounder last year (37th overall, selected Nate Allen Safety from South Florida, good rookie year last year but tore ACL at end of reg. season) and a 3rd or 4th this year, depending on performance or something i will look into that
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Post by jdbsa05 on Feb 22, 2011 21:15:12 GMT -5
I agree. I would rather have Vick with all of his baggage over Donovan any day of the week. Nyi, what the NY Post did there was cruelly funny.
I'm just receiving word that Rahm Emmanuel was elected mayor of Chicago. Best of luck to the Chicagoans.
Now back to our regularly scheduled board posts.
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